Curse

Eadric · Apr 30, 2007, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Eventually a key will be worth more than the loot to drop from the chests, which will further kill the game.

For me it's been that way since day one and I will no longer buy them. The only way I'll use a key or pick is if it drops.

SotiCoto · Apr 30, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Levi Garett

Yes they will be the next dead sword. Req 9 for 65k FTW.

It does take some effort though....took me 6-7 hours of farming to farm one. Others have reported farming for days and still haven't seen one.

How come nobody's complaining about Dead Bows? Looks like you can't get 10k for a 15>50 req 9 anymore....now that is sad! At least the Colossals are still above 100k!

... Above 100k for a Colossal Scimitar? ... o_0; ... Still? ...
I can't really fathom the notion of things in GW costing over 100k .... but heck, it sounds like I need to jump on the bandwagon myself... Gotta unlock Hard Mode in Nightfall with my Assassin (rather than pratting around in Tyria trying to get GMC) and get my monk and necro in there to start farming! ^_^

Heck... if I can figure out how to farm them and get a few of them then I'd be happy selling them even if the price dropped to 20k! ^_^

I guess this is all about perspective. 100k to me is an absolute fortune....

lightblade · Apr 30, 2007, 05:06 PM // 17:06

I don't care! Colossal Scimitar looks like a toy knife anyways.

Lucifer PVP · Apr 30, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Just give me a HOTO and enigma and ill be leet

Sir Skullcrasher · Apr 30, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

I feel bad paying for my req 12 Colossal Scimitar and selling my mini Kunnvang cuz I was out of money!

Jongo River · Apr 30, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Why do some people talk as though these weapons were put there soley for the dedicated farmers? Do they really think that Anet designers sat down one day and said to themselves "wouldn't it be great to have a range of really cool kit, for grubby little obsessives to get rich off?" I think it's more likely "rare" items are there to cause excitment when you get one and that all players are intended to receive "rare" items from time to time, because "rarity" is about how often they drop, not how many players should have them. I know finding my Dragon Scythes in Factions was a major high point and I'm pretty sure the thrill I felt at the time was an intended part of the GW experience - and not just for me, but for everyone!

To me hard mode drops are saying "once you've completed the game, there's no point in withholding stuff anymore - you are entitled to items you missed and shouldn't have to pay the farmers, so go get them!" Good on Anet, I say.

SotiCoto · Apr 30, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

Why do some people talk as though these weapons were put there soley for the dedicated farmers? Do they really think that Anet designers sat down one day and said to themselves "wouldn't it be great to have a range of really cool kit, for grubby little obsessives to get rich off?" I think it's more likely "rare" items are there to cause excitment when you get one and that all players are intended to receive "rare" items from time to time, because "rarity" is about how often they drop, not how many players should have them. I know finding my Dragon Scythes in Factions was a major high point and I'm pretty sure the thrill I felt at the time was an intended part of the GW experience - and not just for me, but for everyone!

To me hard mode drops are saying "once you've completed the game, there's no point in withholding stuff anymore - you are entitled to items you missed and shouldn't have to pay the farmers, so go get them!" Good on Anet, I say.

QFT.

Well... almost entirely. My first weapons in the whole game were a pair of Dragon Scythes given to me by someone in the guild I first got recruited into as a newb, so I never really thought of them as super-valuable (I dyed them purple on a whim).... I've only ever found a pair of gold dragon scythes myself once... I still have both pairs to this day and think nothing of it.

But yeah.... Complete truth.

Evilsod · Apr 30, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Levi Garett

How come nobody's complaining about Dead Bows? Looks like you can't get 10k for a 15>50 req 9 anymore....now that is sad! At least the Colossals are still above 100k!

*looks in inventory*..... BOLLOCKS!

I get a perfect 1 and it turns out to be worthless

Oh well, can't have everything i guess.

Str0b0 · Apr 30, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony

Everyone deserves to have a rare skinned weapon if they want one. A player with lots of cash is no better than someone with only a little, so why reward only the rich? Not everyone has the time or ability to farm Ecto or golds to afford such exotic items, so it's nice to see prices dropping.

I had to read this twice to make sure I wasn't seeing things. What world do you live in where this is true? That's like saying that everyone deserves to have a Lamborghini if they want one or that everyone deserves to have a mansion if they want one. They most certainly do not. Rare skins are luxury items and are not a right that everyone is guaranteed. They are a privelage earned through hard work and time put into learning the farming spots and the economy.

A player with lots of gold certainly isn't a better player as far as actual gameplay goes, but they are obviously a better farmer and trader and therefore deserve to reap the benefits of their financial accumen. I wish that simple want equated to the right to obtain but that isn't the case. You want something you work for it and that's the bottom line. Statements like this one are why I never take the complaints against farmers seriously. People can hide it all they like behind carefully formulated arguments but what it boils down to is they actually believe that just because they want something they should have it with little to no expenditure on their part.

flipfly2004 · Apr 30, 2007, 06:51 PM // 18:51

im glad that my r9 runic blade wont have the same fate as the others because its s hoh drop only item XD

Evilsod · Apr 30, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by flipfly2004

im glad that my r9 runic blade wont have the same fate as the others because its s hoh drop only item XD

What makes you think they'll stop at ruining the PvE item drops economy? It can only be so long before the apparent quest for rare skins available to anyone arrives at the HoH chest.

Alleji · Apr 30, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Yeah, it's a shame.

I don't own one and wasn't planning on buying one (because I don't like the skin) but the game is just no fun without rare items... and anet was slowly killing rare skins for the past two years :/

VanDamselx · Apr 30, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I hate how people say that everyone deserves to have a "rare-skinned" weapon if they want because the reason they are rare in the first place is so people have to work for them. These items will not be RARE anymore if they are flooded into the market. Some people farm hours and hours for these items and now almost anyone can have them. Yes this game is for the casual gamer but before anyone slaps that argument in my face: I am well aware of that. However, this is only vanity and does not make you any better. So even if you *want* this weapon, another less rare skin will suffice. For those of us who like to work towards these things, it's a pain in the ass when everyone and their brother can get one now. Yes some people don't like farming but why should this game be centered around you when there are people who enjoy grind and farming. And seriously, EVERY class has a solo build. Read the forums if you don't believe me. Don't sit there and say that people can't make a solo character because they don't have the right profession. That's ridiculous.

Rare weapons are a reward for us farmers!

Str0b0 · Apr 30, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Alleji

Yeah, it's a shame.

I don't own one and wasn't planning on buying one (because I don't like the skin) but the game is just no fun without rare items... and anet was slowly killing rare skins for the past two years :/

They did it all in the name of a balanced economy. What gets me is that I don't think there can ever be such a thing , and this is why. The economic structure in game is a capitalist system. You have individual buyers and sellers as opposed to one centralized economic structure doling out the goods evenly amongst players. That being said a capitalist system will invariably create economic classes. Now let us examine our predominantly capitalist world economy today. About 1% of the population controls a large majority of the wealth. Sound familiar? There is no point in attempting economic balance as long as you use a capitalist system. The economy is balanced already in the way that all capitalist systems balance out. you have the super rich, the middle class, and the poor. It's silly to expect the Guild Wars economy to behave any differently and it's futile to try to balance it out. All you end up with is an even more broken economy.

SotiCoto · Apr 30, 2007, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Alleji

Yeah, it's a shame.

I don't own one and wasn't planning on buying one (because I don't like the skin) but the game is just no fun without rare items... and anet was slowly killing rare skins for the past two years :/

If you want a genuinely rare skin.... why not just farm a "semi-rare"?

Generally they'll be the weapons that are too rare for every average person to have them, but not rare enough for the farmers to go crazy overfarming them....

I mean... people hyped the Dead Swords. People still to some extent hype the Colossal Scimitars. People hype the Sephis Axes and the Dwarven Axes and the Crystalline Swords.

But there are quite a few Canthan weapons which aren't so rare I pretty much never hear people hyping about.... like Golden Phoenix Blades (a bit small for my liking) and Oni Blades (look really cool with Bladed Shields)... Jade Swords..... or my precious Celestial weapons which I do so like! ^_^
People don't hype those up.... nor make a big thing of having one.... so it isn't a far reach to assume that if you do have one, use it and enjoy it.... you're in a serious minority... which essentially makes it Rare.

Does that make much sense to you.... or am I just spouting pseudo-optimistic drivel?

Sir Skullcrasher · Apr 30, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Wait till peoples find way to farm that runic blade and watch how low the price drops.

SotiCoto · Apr 30, 2007, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by booooYA

Rare weapons are a reward for us farmers!

Bollocks.
Rare weapons are supposed to be a reward for the exceptionally lucky. They're supposed to be random drops that appear once in a blue moon whilst gaming normally on a regular basis....
Farming is just a method of cheating that system... a method which has become so commonplace that it is now a fully accepted practice.

VanDamselx · Apr 30, 2007, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Bollocks.
Rare weapons are supposed to be a reward for the exceptionally lucky. They're supposed to be random drops that appear once in a blue moon whilst gaming normally on a regular basis....
Farming is just a method of cheating that system... a method which has become so commonplace that it is now a fully accepted practice.

I chest farm quite a bit as I am trying to max out my title. I get a lot of crap when I do this but every ONCE in a while I will get a weapon worth 100k+ or more. So while I am spending my own gold to work towards a title, I like the fact that every once in a while I get REWARDED for doing the hard work that it is taking to get that title. Farming is not cheating as they would ban anyone who was doing so. Many of the rich people you see selling things are not always the hardcore farmers, but the smart ones who buy low and sell high. I've seen many PC Gurus say that.

You make it sound like farmers get these weapons to drop for them all the time while for casual gamers they do not. I can farm an area all day and may not get the weapon I desire. I may invest 2 hours in an area before I even get something worth keeping. So yes, it is a REWARD.

SotiCoto · Apr 30, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by booooYA

I chest farm quite a bit as I am trying to max out my title. I get a lot of crap when I do this but every ONCE in a while I will get a weapon worth 100k+ or more. So while I am spending my own gold to work towards a title, I like the fact that every once in a while I get REWARDED for doing the hard work that it is taking to get that title. Farming is not cheating as they would ban anyone who was doing so. Many of the rich people you see selling things are not always the hardcore farmers, but the smart ones who buy low and sell high. I've seen many PC Gurus say that.

You make it sound like farmers get these weapons to drop for them all the time while for casual gamers they do not. I can farm an area all day and may not get the weapon I desire. I may invest 2 hours in an area before I even get something worth keeping. So yes, it is a REWARD.

It is somewhat of a shame when they have to reward you for gaming like that in order to keep you doing it.... and then so many folks decide to skip out on the essence of the gaming and go straight for the reward.

Does nobody ever actually question what they're doing it for?

I mean... when you have loads of money and all the awesome skins you'll ever need..... what do you do with them? Aren't they there to support the gaming, rather than the other way around? ...

In any case... farming is still cheating the system in my opinion.... but clearly not in A-Net's (mostly because so many people do it, and parts of the game become almost unviable if not for farming).

Str0b0 · Apr 30, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Personally I think it is a matter of what you like to do in a game. Without a persistent world the PvE section of this game starts to get old easily. It reminds me of Diablo 2. Granted there is PvP but it is prohibitively difficult to get into PvP because of rank discrimination and some people just don't like that type of competitive play. I know in Diablo 2 once you beat the game then it was time to start farming for loot. The economy in that game was so broken the only way you could get good equipment was to either buy it from a third party or farm it since the currency was usually bugged and duped charms and runes as opposed to gold. I like that sort of play. I like the thrill of finding a really rare item and either using it or knowing that I can sell it for an insane amount of money. In all honesty at this point in the game I have more gold than I will ever spend right now. I've got my characters tricked out how I want them so what else is there to drop it on? I still farm though because I like the excitement of getting that drop and I like the excitement of posting it here in the auctions and watching the bids start rolling in. The problem with Anet's system is that because they made it so that the mods were universal and could be found on any skin there is no way for the weapons to support gameplay because you can be competitive without the rare skin. So once you finish the PvE portion if you don't want to PvP then the gameplay becomes farming for weapons or impressing newbies with your super awesome build that demolishes a mission for them in no time.